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	<title>Comments on: I see that UCE have a new website</title>
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		<title>By: stef</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2808</link>
		<dc:creator>stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the old "CSS on, Images off" situation. To be honest, we coded this more with screen-readers in mind rather than a vanishingly small number of people who browse this way. Try turning off the stylesheet and you'll see the UL/LI menu.

I remember Andy Budd blogged about this a while back - here's his take on it - http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2003/08/using_css_to_replace_text_with_images/

We'll take a look and see if we can adjust the css slightly. A shame about having to use a redundant SPAN in this workaround...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the old &#8220;CSS on, Images off&#8221; situation. To be honest, we coded this more with screen-readers in mind rather than a vanishingly small number of people who browse this way. Try turning off the stylesheet and you&#8217;ll see the UL/LI menu.</p>
<p>I remember Andy Budd blogged about this a while back - here&#8217;s his take on it - <a href="http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2003/08/using_css_to_replace_text_with_images/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.andybudd.com');">http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2003/08/using_css_to_replace_text_with_images/</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;ll take a look and see if we can adjust the css slightly. A shame about having to use a redundant SPAN in this workaround&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2799</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - my mistake, not an image map, image navigation which disappears completely when I disable images on my browser: http://jamieathome.4tips.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry - my mistake, not an image map, image navigation which disappears completely when I disable images on my browser: <a href="http://jamieathome.4tips.net/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/jamieathome.4tips.net');">http://jamieathome.4tips.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: stef</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2778</link>
		<dc:creator>stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Someone

Thanks for letting me know. It's always good to get some feedback on the work we do. If you could point out some of the more glaring points of bad design practice I'll make sure that they are fixed.

At least you agree with me that the work that's been done on the UCE site shows 'shoddy design practice'. 

I don't recall using an image map since about 1998 so it would be good to know where you've found that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Someone</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me know. It&#8217;s always good to get some feedback on the work we do. If you could point out some of the more glaring points of bad design practice I&#8217;ll make sure that they are fixed.</p>
<p>At least you agree with me that the work that&#8217;s been done on the UCE site shows &#8217;shoddy design practice&#8217;. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall using an image map since about 1998 so it would be good to know where you&#8217;ve found that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2776</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One shouldn't get all high and mighty about accessibility and usability when sites you have produced fail in these very same areas. 

A quick browse across of some of your recent work throws up countless XHTML validation errors, image maps as navigation and general shoddy design practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One shouldn&#8217;t get all high and mighty about accessibility and usability when sites you have produced fail in these very same areas. </p>
<p>A quick browse across of some of your recent work throws up countless XHTML validation errors, image maps as navigation and general shoddy design practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Woods</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2612</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a UCE student and a web designer (by hobby, not by degree) and while I'll fully agree I'm not the best designer in the world (and I too am guilty of the same tables-for-layout sins though I made that choice consciously because I'm really lazy! haha) I wouldn't do the same for a corporate or business site, and indeed I haven't for the sites I've recently made or done.

The UCE site is an awful, hideous thing. And the most bizarre aspect of all of this is that their namechange (after 'consultation' where they basically say "we're going with one of these three names, pick the least worst one please" and ignore any comments you might have about how the original one was absolutely fine and it's a waste of money and time to change it AGAIN)... Well, they redo the web site, and then two months later they change the university's name AGAIN?


Utter stupidity. They must have money to burn... I just hope it's not my tuition fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a UCE student and a web designer (by hobby, not by degree) and while I&#8217;ll fully agree I&#8217;m not the best designer in the world (and I too am guilty of the same tables-for-layout sins though I made that choice consciously because I&#8217;m really lazy! haha) I wouldn&#8217;t do the same for a corporate or business site, and indeed I haven&#8217;t for the sites I&#8217;ve recently made or done.</p>
<p>The UCE site is an awful, hideous thing. And the most bizarre aspect of all of this is that their namechange (after &#8216;consultation&#8217; where they basically say &#8220;we&#8217;re going with one of these three names, pick the least worst one please&#8221; and ignore any comments you might have about how the original one was absolutely fine and it&#8217;s a waste of money and time to change it AGAIN)&#8230; Well, they redo the web site, and then two months later they change the university&#8217;s name AGAIN?</p>
<p>Utter stupidity. They must have money to burn&#8230; I just hope it&#8217;s not my tuition fees.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2572</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a shame... Stef, I couldn't agree more. Sure, taking the volume of information from the old sites and bringing them up to modern Standards was a mammoth task, but someone was going to have to remove all the tables, animated gifs, inline styles etc at some point, so why not do that now, to keep the promise of making the content Standards-compliant?

For most large organisations, the biggest selling points of Web Standards is that they make content accessible, and forward-compatible, and this new site is neither of those things.

I have a feeling that once the novelty of the new bright vector images has worn off, the same maintenance nightmares that this site was redesigned to fix will gradually creep back in.

At first glance, since the BIAD department page now resembles the main UCE page so closely, I had to double-check the link was correct. When I first opened the page, I was presented with a site-wide randomized header image of people eating. What on earth has that got to do with BIAD?!) Gone is the Flash header* that gave sighted visitors a GREAT introduction to the lush work that BIAD students produce, and instead we're presented with a dry list of courses. *There was no alternate text, long desc, or link to a description page for accessibility, but that could have been fixed in this redesign.

It's relatively easy to retain the look and feel of a site, bring it into the same design space as the main site, and make it Standards-compliant while allowing it the freedom to be different. I think it's a shame that UCE will be kicking themselves in a year's time when they discover the site needs to be overhauled (again) rather than gently upgraded...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a shame&#8230; Stef, I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Sure, taking the volume of information from the old sites and bringing them up to modern Standards was a mammoth task, but someone was going to have to remove all the tables, animated gifs, inline styles etc at some point, so why not do that now, to keep the promise of making the content Standards-compliant?</p>
<p>For most large organisations, the biggest selling points of Web Standards is that they make content accessible, and forward-compatible, and this new site is neither of those things.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that once the novelty of the new bright vector images has worn off, the same maintenance nightmares that this site was redesigned to fix will gradually creep back in.</p>
<p>At first glance, since the BIAD department page now resembles the main UCE page so closely, I had to double-check the link was correct. When I first opened the page, I was presented with a site-wide randomized header image of people eating. What on earth has that got to do with BIAD?!) Gone is the Flash header* that gave sighted visitors a GREAT introduction to the lush work that BIAD students produce, and instead we&#8217;re presented with a dry list of courses. *There was no alternate text, long desc, or link to a description page for accessibility, but that could have been fixed in this redesign.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s relatively easy to retain the look and feel of a site, bring it into the same design space as the main site, and make it Standards-compliant while allowing it the freedom to be different. I think it&#8217;s a shame that UCE will be kicking themselves in a year&#8217;s time when they discover the site needs to be overhauled (again) rather than gently upgraded&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bounder</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2571</link>
		<dc:creator>bounder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leaving aside any 'subjective' design stuff, the badly scaled and rendered images would put me off. It wouldn't surprise me if the designer didn't have anything more than Paint to work with.

I'm not sure how many students this sort of thing would actually put off tho' - they'd either be the sort that would have done some actually research on the content of the course, or would they be the ones you wanted anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaving aside any &#8217;subjective&#8217; design stuff, the badly scaled and rendered images would put me off. It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if the designer didn&#8217;t have anything more than Paint to work with.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how many students this sort of thing would actually put off tho&#8217; - they&#8217;d either be the sort that would have done some actually research on the content of the course, or would they be the ones you wanted anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2564</link>
		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Behind the ranting there's a lot of good reason. I hope UCE take note. Birmingham does itself no favors with rubbish like this.

To george - it's not about reading vs. looking good. A site done will can look good, navigate well and be readable. The UCE site barely manages to get the reading part right.

The upshot of this (in my opinion) is that the more discerning students will gravitate to universities who present themselves well, sell themselves well and generate a level of excitement. The UCE site does non of this and as a result Birmingham will probably get an influx of 3rd rate students who care about as much about their education as the UCE does about it's site.

As an employer within this city I want talent coming to study here. This is fundamental to improving Birmingham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behind the ranting there&#8217;s a lot of good reason. I hope UCE take note. Birmingham does itself no favors with rubbish like this.</p>
<p>To george - it&#8217;s not about reading vs. looking good. A site done will can look good, navigate well and be readable. The UCE site barely manages to get the reading part right.</p>
<p>The upshot of this (in my opinion) is that the more discerning students will gravitate to universities who present themselves well, sell themselves well and generate a level of excitement. The UCE site does non of this and as a result Birmingham will probably get an influx of 3rd rate students who care about as much about their education as the UCE does about it&#8217;s site.</p>
<p>As an employer within this city I want talent coming to study here. This is fundamental to improving Birmingham.</p>
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		<title>By: Created in Birmingham &#187; Roundup</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2555</link>
		<dc:creator>Created in Birmingham &#187; Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new website launches and Stef Lewandowski gives it the critical eye in his inimitable style. How&#8217;d'ya like them apples UCE? Huh?  Share [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] new website launches and Stef Lewandowski gives it the critical eye in his inimitable style. How&#8217;d&#8217;ya like them apples UCE? Huh?  Share [...]</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://www.steflewandowski.com/2007/08/i-see-that-uce-have-a-new-website/#comment-2554</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all boldness, I make a point of not doing any graphic design, because I usually end up with stuff like this :( 

It looks like Marketing people like "presence" and to "speak", but there's useit.com, there's colourlovers.com, there's smashingmagazine.com, and probably a hundred other sites on looking good and expressing yourself online. How about some "read"ing?

Thumbs up to the developers! I think they've reflected on the design elegantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all boldness, I make a point of not doing any graphic design, because I usually end up with stuff like this <img src='http://www.steflewandowski.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It looks like Marketing people like &#8220;presence&#8221; and to &#8220;speak&#8221;, but there&#8217;s useit.com, there&#8217;s colourlovers.com, there&#8217;s smashingmagazine.com, and probably a hundred other sites on looking good and expressing yourself online. How about some &#8220;read&#8221;ing?</p>
<p>Thumbs up to the developers! I think they&#8217;ve reflected on the design elegantly.</p>
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